tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post116386312026777517..comments2023-04-16T01:18:59.778-07:00Comments on Heroic: LeeAnnahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1166836053725150062006-12-22T17:07:00.000-08:002006-12-22T17:07:00.000-08:00Nice words...(I guess.)You right though, how do we...Nice words...(I guess.)<BR/><BR/>You right though, how do we know (I guess I said that already, huh.)<BR/>I know that the devil can't make you do anything. How could he. Besides, we have free will, remember?<BR/>God gave us choices because he loves us. <BR/>Say you had a child and you loved this child soooooo very much. BUT, you make all the child's choices for him and never let him do it for himself. Is that love? No. I do not believe it is.<BR/><BR/>Lanna <BR/><BR/>LannaLeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1166647404806427562006-12-20T12:43:00.000-08:002006-12-20T12:43:00.000-08:00Okay, okay. First off, the Bible refers to the de...Okay, okay. <BR/><BR/>First off, the Bible refers to the devil in a personal way every time it mentions him, which is many, many times. He can speak and deceive. He is described in this way throughout the Bible many times. There you go. <BR/><BR/>You are right that he does not make our decisions. The devil did not make me do it. The devil told Eve to eat the apple (I mean fruit - why do we always assume it was an apple? Hmm...), but he didn't force her - she made her own choice. You're right that he doesn't control, he simply convinces. But he does exist as more than just a personified something-or-other. Whatever he is, he has a real mind and makes real decisions. That's pretty much all we know from the Bible, unless someone else can show us a verse where it tells us he's an angel.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1166630625740105312006-12-20T08:03:00.000-08:002006-12-20T08:03:00.000-08:00(I like to torment guys with questions. It's a hob...(I like to torment guys with questions. It's a hobby.)LeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1166496914787402132006-12-18T18:55:00.000-08:002006-12-18T18:55:00.000-08:00No, I don't think that angels are just people. Did...No, I don't think that angels are just people. Did I not say that they are messengers? If not, please, excuse my mistake. I thought I did.<BR/>Devil, huh?<BR/><BR/>Well, As you said here: "He can make decisions. I don't think he can "possess" a Christian, but he can influence us, mainly by telling us lies. That's his main line of work - lying to humans."<BR/><BR/>This sounds like an angel, human, messenger, whatever. <BR/>But, how can we know for sure? The Bible uses so many parables, it could surely call anything a he/she.<BR/>It may not be a living thing, but it could be called one. Right?<BR/><BR/>But, then again, what part does the devil play in our lives? We make our own choices, not a "devil." <BR/><BR/>The question, if that is true, is does he then influence us, or drive us? <BR/><BR/>You, my good sir, have not made YOURSELF clear. For fact, I'm am confused. Why am I asked, when you have not answered your own question, that I asked first in the first place? <BR/><BR/>LannaLeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1166462154223788962006-12-18T09:15:00.000-08:002006-12-18T09:15:00.000-08:00Are there no other angels besides humans? What is...Are there no other angels besides humans? What is the devil to you? You haven't been very clear about that. <BR/><BR/>Lanna, I don't know if he's an angel or something else. What I want to know is, do you consider him to be an actual being of some kind? Or are you saying he's not?<BR/><BR/>Also, angel, in the Bible, usually does not mean human. It means a messenger of God. There are beings - we call them angels - who are created specifically for this purpose. They are not humans. <BR/><BR/>Although, some Scriptures indicate that each person has their own personal angel or angels. <BR/><BR/>"See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven."<BR/>-Matthew 18:10 (NASB)<BR/><BR/>You don't really think angels are always just people, do you? <BR/><BR/>"Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?"<BR/>-Matthew 26:53 (NASB)<BR/><BR/>Do you think that Jesus was talking about humans? Note that Jesus often called angels "angels in heaven", and he also said that no one has ascended to heaven except the one who came from heaven (himself), so doesn't that mean that angels are not people?Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1166456640438516332006-12-18T07:44:00.000-08:002006-12-18T07:44:00.000-08:00NO.NO.NO.NO. NO!It is not another word for sin o...NO.NO.NO.NO. NO!<BR/><BR/><BR/>It is not another word for sin or temptation or whatever.<BR/>I see what you are saying. What I'm saying is very close to the same. <BR/><BR/>First, describe your idea of "fallen angel" just because sometimes people have different ideas for one word.<BR/>What's an "angel" to you? <BR/><BR/>To me, and angel is someone who says or does something that helps someone else. (a message from God)<BR/>Like, say, once, several years ago, my dad was out of work and we had no money. We prayed and prayed and prayed and.......<BR/>Then God sent my dad's good friend Cliff to come offer him a job.<BR/>Cliff needed someone on his construction team badly. He was an angel, that God sent, to help us.LeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1166298967162384102006-12-16T11:56:00.000-08:002006-12-16T11:56:00.000-08:00He's a spirit. He can think and act just like ang...He's a spirit. He can think and act just like angels, and he may be a fallen angel himself. He can enter people, but mostly he deceives people. There you go, that's my opinion. <BR/><BR/>You seem to think that "spirit" refers to something that isn't real. Just because something isn't physical doesn't mean it is figurative. Are you suggesting that the devil is simply a personification of evil or temptation? That's rather unorthodox, since the Bible describes him as a person of some sort.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1165075567568130432006-12-02T08:06:00.000-08:002006-12-02T08:06:00.000-08:00Me?I'm saying he is a spirit and not something tha...Me?<BR/><BR/>I'm saying he is a spirit and not something that can be drove into you, no. I don't agree with daisy.<BR/>Explain, huh. Well, I would if it wasn't 8:04 (the end of my computer time.)<BR/><BR/>I come up with something for your hard question.<BR/><BR/>I got a Q for you!<BR/><BR/>How would you describe the devil?????<BR/><BR/>LannaLeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1164760418172312462006-11-28T16:33:00.000-08:002006-11-28T16:33:00.000-08:00Wait a minute - you don't think that the devil act...Wait a minute - you don't think that the devil actually entered him? <BR/><BR/>Okay, I gotsa question: What do you think the devil actually is? What, in your opinion, is the best way to describe him?Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1164725507166399152006-11-28T06:51:00.000-08:002006-11-28T06:51:00.000-08:00Maybe it ment he had an erge or a temtation? I 'll...Maybe it ment he had an erge or a temtation? I 'll have look again.<BR/><BR/>LannaLeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1164223425461282412006-11-22T11:23:00.000-08:002006-11-22T11:23:00.000-08:00I've got another verse worth looking into:"As soon...I've got another verse worth looking into:<BR/><BR/>"As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him."<BR/>-John 13:27 (NIV)<BR/><BR/>I wonder what that means exactly. How did satan "enter" him, and what was satan able to control in him?Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1164206644113913892006-11-22T06:44:00.000-08:002006-11-22T06:44:00.000-08:00Not many.I would consuder that to be VERY brave!La...Not many.<BR/>I would consuder that to be VERY brave!<BR/><BR/>LannaLeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1164052694777949252006-11-20T11:58:00.000-08:002006-11-20T11:58:00.000-08:00Wait, nevermind. That verse wasn't about satan. ...Wait, nevermind. That verse wasn't about satan. It was about a devil (demon). The angel was protecting Tobias from the devil that had killed his new wife's previous seven husbands. <BR/><BR/>How many people do you know who would marry a woman who had had seven husbands already killed by the same devil? That's brave.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1164037349954400362006-11-20T07:42:00.000-08:002006-11-20T07:42:00.000-08:00"Then the angel Raphael took the devil, and bound ..."Then the angel Raphael took the devil, and bound him in the desert of upper Egypt."<BR/>-Tobit 8:3<BR/><BR/>This is not in our canon, but it shows us something that many Jews believed in and before Jesus' time. It appears that the Jews believed that the devil could be bound to a specific place (by an angel). Do you think they might be right?Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163902272209028662006-11-18T18:11:00.000-08:002006-11-18T18:11:00.000-08:00Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear.Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear.LeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163900992204498582006-11-18T17:49:00.000-08:002006-11-18T17:49:00.000-08:00"Angelos" could refer to a human messenger (like t..."Angelos" could refer to a human messenger (like the messengers of the churches in Revelation, usually translated "angels of the churches"), or to a messenger of Satan (Paul's "thorn in the flesh"), or one of God's messengers (angels). The word for messenger (angelos) almost always means angel. From what I gather, angels are spirit, but they can appear to humans in the physical world if necessary, as in certain Bible passages.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163900817352577562006-11-18T17:46:00.000-08:002006-11-18T17:46:00.000-08:00Yep, I'm still here.Yep, I'm still here.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163899705425240182006-11-18T17:28:00.000-08:002006-11-18T17:28:00.000-08:00I e-mailed you my age, by the way. I know you are ...I e-mailed you my age, by the way. I know you are on here right now, cause I just asked you that question, and you quickly replied.<BR/><BR/>LannaLeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163899626110460262006-11-18T17:27:00.000-08:002006-11-18T17:27:00.000-08:00yes, and a messanger can be anyone. So the devil c...yes, and a messanger can be anyone. So the devil can be someone who comes and gives you a message, or whatever?<BR/><BR/>LannaLeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163898490097503922006-11-18T17:08:00.000-08:002006-11-18T17:08:00.000-08:00"Angel" (from "angelos") actually means "messenger..."Angel" (from "angelos") actually means "messenger".Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163898455513576672006-11-18T17:07:00.000-08:002006-11-18T17:07:00.000-08:00Lanna, It isn't perfectly clear, but Job seems to ...Lanna, <BR/><BR/>It isn't perfectly clear, but Job seems to imply that the devil may be an angel.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163898395442393242006-11-18T17:06:00.000-08:002006-11-18T17:06:00.000-08:00Lanna,It makes him a being, or so I think. Kingdo...Lanna,<BR/><BR/>It makes him a being, or so I think. <BR/><BR/>Kingdom Advancer,<BR/><BR/>Before he fell? But he was a liar from the beginning. <BR/><BR/>Also, using Lucifer as a name is a problem though, because it causes people to believe that that Scripure is about the devil. If they think that, then they'll read it and get a wrong idea of who the devil is. That Scripture is talking about the king of Babylon, not the devil.<BR/><BR/>Job is helpful for understanding the adverary's (satan's) purpose.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14883196263628974118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163897509552266032006-11-18T16:51:00.000-08:002006-11-18T16:51:00.000-08:00How would he be an influence if there is no one th...How would he be an influence if there is no one there to influence you? Does this make him a being? Or does this make him something someone can give to you, such as a temptation.LeeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073462808188016923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163893939846257312006-11-18T15:52:00.000-08:002006-11-18T15:52:00.000-08:00Austin, I did a word study, and you do seem to be ...Austin, <BR/><BR/>I did a word study, and you do seem to be correct. You are also correct though that it is a minor detail because it seems clear that the devil is a fallen angel. The name Lucifer has simply been connected with him. <BR/>I'm just speculating, but one of the reasons for this is probably because "Satan" and "devil" have such negative connotations that a name was needed to describe him before he fell.Kingdom Advancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02599920276578327720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35390498.post-1163893414584621842006-11-18T15:43:00.000-08:002006-11-18T15:43:00.000-08:00First of all, I don't think we are led to believe ...First of all, I don't think we are led to believe in the Bible that the devil himself is omnipresent. So, demons probably do much of his bidding. <BR/><BR/>Then, I think you have to recognize the difference between possession and influence. Possession is controlling, influence is more suggesting.<BR/><BR/>If you are a Christian and have the Holy Spirit, and the devil (or a demon, more likely) tries to possess you, where exactly is it going to reside? I don't think the Holy Spirit likes or allows enemies for roommates. <BR/>However, some Christians backslide and pull away from God, pretty much kicking out the Holy Spirit and opening the door for other influences.Kingdom Advancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02599920276578327720noreply@blogger.com